Friday, December 01, 2006

Want to know Alabama's next coach? Well, don't ask the media

Friday was a bad day for journalism. Alright, this whole week was bad for journalism.

Throughout the entire week, and for that matter most of the football season, newspapers and television stations have been getting the Shula story wrong.

But why?

There are many factors.

Take a look at tonight's disaster from West Virginia. Early this afternoon, The West Virginia MetroNews broke a story declaring Rich Rodriguez and Alabama were getting close to a deal. The basis of the story were their own sources within the University of WV and a Pat Forde report on ESPN radio. You can listen to Paul Finebaum's interview with the writer Greg Hunter.

The only problem with the story? Forde didn't report what Hunter thought.

The problem here is simple enough (or at least easy to theorize about.) Hunter's sources within UWV indicated Rodriguez wants the Alabama job. So, Hunter knows on his end the deal could be done. All that was missing were facts from the Alabama side. He or his staff heard what they wanted to hear from Forde and, presto, a story was born.

The big problem here was the MetroNews based its report on someone else's report.

As if that were not enough to give West Virginia journalists a bad reputation along comes the State Journal. It reported a deal was close between Alabama and Rodriguez.

This report was based on a source close to Alabama. Unfortunately for the writer, he was also interviewed by Paul Finebaum.

The interview with Gannon was painful. Finebaum exposed several problems with the story, but none were as glaring as Gannon's admission the story was based on a single-source.

Why would the news organization allow such an important story out without additional sourcing?

I'm going to suggest an answer. Inexperience.

Being a weekly newspaper the staff probably deals with what most weekly newspapers report: the largest tomato at the county fair, the quilting bee and the chamber of commerce parade.

A single source will do when writing about the Christmas parade, but when it is something important like a coaching search, you would be better off getting some confirmation.

But why wouldn't the journalist seek confirmation? Isn't that common sense?

Perhaps, but there are significant problems with journalists, which impair their ability to do their jobs.

First, a post on the media critic blog at National Review from November hints at how the role of the reporter changed post-Watergate. The post explains how the decline of journalism coincided with the rise of college training. This blog entry posits, liberal excesses of academia created much of the problems in reporting: "The reporting jobs were taken from blue-collar types just trying to do a job and given to college-educated idealists on a mission."

I'm not sure this observation is completely accurate; however, the 'idealist' part is right, but only partially. Most journalism graduates are obnoxious know-it-alls who denigrate anyone who does not agree with them or their interpretation of the facts (on everything from politics, to restaurants, to the weather.) Good reporters are able to filter through the information, tell both sides of the story and always remember the truth is the most important element of the story.

But to be a good reporter, a young journalism student must be willing to learn--to soak in the knowledge and experience of those around them.

Today's young journalists come to newspapers filled with arrogance and are unwilling to learn from the senior staff. These graduates believe they learned everything in college. They studied Quark and learned how to use a camera; therefore, they know all they need to know.

This hubris handicaps young reporters. They lock into one interpretation on a story and then look for evidence to support that interpretation, rather than exploring the depth of the story. An article today is less a journey into truth and more an essay supporting the writer's preconceived notions. In other words, most newspaper articles today are merely commentary or analysis masquerading as news.

Second, writers are lazy.

Give a writer a 1,000-word assignment due in one-month and you'll get it in one month. Give that same writer the same assignment for a 1,000-word story due in one-week and you'll get almost exactly the same story with very little extra work done in the longer timespan.

That is not to say writing isn't hard. It is. I struggle with it.

But the mindset of many writers is to find the easiest way to get the story done. Some of that deals with deadline pressures. Some of it deals with bad morale in media organizations. But a large part of it deals with how writers are serious procrastinators. Naturally, quality suffers when writers aren't focused on doing a good job.

Good reporters are able to do their job without taking shortcuts. Unfortunately, there are fewer and fewer good reporters out there.

95 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know where to begin. As a former journalist and someone who is married to a journalist, I find this post offensive.

9:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The truth hurts.

9:50 PM  
Blogger CapstoneReport.com said...

I don't mean it to be offensive. There are great journalists out there, but so many reporters today half-ass their jobs. I've found people with journalism minors to be better reporters than journalism majors. And a big part of it is attitude.

10:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am not a journalist. But I can see the point that the post was trying to make.

I dont know if I agree or not. But I do know that in the past week, almost every report, other than the vague press releases from the universities and audio clips from the radio, that all stories written, that came from "sources" have been disapproved. So there is definitely some validity to the post based on that factual information there.

I think a lot of it is yellow journalism. Trying to get people to buy the papers, listen to their shows, watch their channels, and draw attention to their predetermined motives. I think many people are taking advantage of the swirling rumors, just to get in the lime light.

Its almost like hungry buzzards circling a carcus.

Just my take...

10:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree in large part with the author's take here. The regional media (Alabama papers and, more recently, South Carolina and West Virginia media outlets) have a tremendous opportunity to make a name for themselves in what has become, unfortunately, an all to common procedure in sports reporting. A search for a coach at a high profile institution is of substantial interest to their target audience (not to mention substantial revenue and exposure to a publication which is likely often trivialized by the internet and national media syndicates). The unfortunate fact is that in the age of the internet, fact is often very hard to come by and even more often, compromised by the opinion of the reporter and their readers. Further, in the domain of sports coaching changes, the truth is often hidden behind a veil of secrecy to protect the integrity of those involved in the search at hand. None of this should threaten the search for the truth among journalists, or the integrity of the news being created. But in the modern era, the public demands the truth be provided in real time. And the spoils of the victory go to the first to report a story. Unfortunately, the truth is often second nature to the speed with which one reports what everyone is dying to hear...

10:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah, what he said...

10:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The sports pages are gossip at best. The other flavors of journalism are not much better. Everything is an editorial.

Lazy is the key word here. Heck, CBS.sportsline.com was reporting this morning that Arkansas had not played for a conference championship since beating TA&M for the SWC title in 1989. THEY HAVE PLAYED IN THE SEC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME TWICE SINCE THEN - 1995 & 2002. For God's sake - that's just an internet search. How lazy do you have to be to not Google something?!!

We just had a tragic bus accident in Huntsville, and the first line of any related interview in the local TV news media is about themselves - "Look at us - we got the exclusive! More Advertising for us! More money for us! Oh, and by the way, some students were killed and others severely injured in this accident. But we just made a whole pile of cash!" Whores - every last one of them.

10:48 PM  
Anonymous Bumpjon said...

FSN has hit on a key issue here. This is why the old media are loosing circulation. The new media is taking over.

Most bloggers are amateurs; they are doing this because it is what they love doing. While they old media snobs hold their noses up in the air and denigrate the "pajamas" media secure in their supposed superiority, the new media is scooping them left and right.

So far, everything FSN has said has been right. True, while perusing the blogs you will get the endless rumors and speculation but that is mostly from the comments. The respectable bloggers are every bit the professionals if not more so than the old media elitists.

12:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Likey this post......WAR EAGLE!!!!!!!!!!!!



In the 23 years from 1960-1982, Alabama won or shared the SEC title 13 times, meaning over half the SEC titles in that span (57%) went to one team. In the 23 years since (through 2005), the distribution is much more even: Florida 6 times (26%), Auburn and Tennessee 5 times each (22%), LSU 4 times (17%), Bama 3 times (13%) and Georgia 2 times (9%) (figures are rounded, plus shared titles are included so percentages don't add up to 100). THAT is the new reality. Even if somehow the Bear did come back from the dead to coach, it's just not the same SEC from 25 years ago, and I doubt even he would be able to dominate the SEC since the NCAA tends to frown on the open payment of players and other forms of cheating.

1:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FSN you have made your point, well said most that you see and read has changed from News to editorial.
Anonymous Auburn fan, Auburn has been on probation more times than Alabama, thats going back from the beginning to now. Shug was brought in to clean up a mess at Auburn. I know that you have lived in our shadow for over a 100 yrs in football, it has made you bitter & unable to judge yourselvs or others fairly.

4:52 AM  
Blogger bigdawg said...

Since we are discussing the head coach here, all four candidates are all playing today. How high do you think the ratings will be for the WV game?

Wake Forest @ 12PM (CST) on ABC
West Virginia @ 6:45PM (CST) on ESPN
Oklahoma @ 7:00PM (CST) on ABC
Louisville @ 11AM (CST) on ESPN

I threw Oklahoma in there because there is some rumblings about Stoops.

So everyone can stop telling us who has the best offense. Just watch the games, and see who is the best coach and we can go from there.

4:56 AM  
Anonymous TimeWatchr said...

Fire Shula had good post today, I agree with it largly. Hurts article this morning was well written, seems the search is over & RR is the most likely to be at Bama. Moore was care to say in his release that HE had not contacted RR. RR was careful in his statement that He had not talked to the Univesity. Moore also said he wouldn't till REGULAR season was over. The object of Finebums scorn yesterday is going to be first to break the story his only problem was getting on the air with the man......Paul is good for a laugh & I do read him often.

5:14 AM  
Anonymous Big Daddy Don said...

Bitch slap of the media and it is well deserved...Finebaum actually did a good job in making the reporters seem like a bunch of idiots...Thqat guy from WVU can get a good job with the Birmingham Fish Wrapper...LO

FSN has a very good point...


also don't forget the media now has to deal with the Blogs where news breaks fast...

Back to the point,,ther are games today and bowl invites tomorrow,,so look for Late Sunday and Monday to kick it into gear...

Also,, there is some legs to my Bob Stoops post from yesterday,,,What and how much, I don't know,,but there is some interest....

5:17 AM  
Blogger Anthony said...

I love these Barners... It is truly amazing that even though they have won 5 in a row they just can't get Bama out of their heads.
Hey stupid Barners you guys are the only ones talking about the Bear. We know he is gone... we know there will never be another... why don't you guys realize it and give it a rest.

Yes Bama got caught cheating and have paid dearly but they forget that Auburn has been in trouble for cheating more then any other school in SEC history. Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

5:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that I may have a new confidence in the UA administration. Any group that can keep the lid on something so scrutinized deserves some kudos. I just hope their hire is just as intelligent.

-PH

6:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To all COW COLLEGE, redneck Barner fans:

This IS A FACT....

Alabama Polytechnical Institute is #3 ALL-TIME in the NCAA in probation. Now, this is not just in football either. Your crappy little school has also been on probation in basketball AND tennis!!!! Tennis???? LMAO!!!!!!

So, enough with the comments about Bama cheating. Deep down, even though we know that you won't admit it out loud, you KNOW that the only reason that you have this 5-game streak is due to the bogus NCAA sanctions that we were slammed with. We KNOW that Fat Phil conspired with the NCAA to almost kill our program. So, enjoy it while you can cow college goonies....Bama WILL be back!

In the SEC, AuBARN carries the banner for the most penalized team in SEC history! Go roll Goober's Corners over that!!!!!

ROLL TIDE!

-12 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS (1/2 for Barn-1957 on probation)
-21 SEC CHAMPIONSHIPS (only 6 for Barn-middle of the SEC all-time)

6:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blaming poor football reporting on the "liberal" media-Ha! Only in Alabama.

7:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Liberal, conservative, it doesn't matter. "Reporting" the news is no longer about objectively presenting the facts of a story. It is now about picking and choosing some facts and then twisting them into a story that appeals to your target market. Liberals and conservatives alike do this and it is disgusting.

It would be great if the free press was beholden to the ideals of truth and fairness no matter what the impact on the story. But, like everything else on God's green earth, the industry's overwhelming priority is to make money. Nothing wrong with making money, but truth and fairness are sacrificed everyday to increase revenue.

7:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Such an important story?" It's SPORTS, for chrissakes!!! We're not talking about the war in Iraq, or genocide in Darfur, or anything REMOTELY 'important.". Stop treating this damn story like it is life or death, because it is NOT. It's SPORTS.

Who the hell cares about who has speculated about what? There are all kinds of people who claim they "know somebody close to the university" blah, blah, blah. There's nothing wrong with speculation, it's all part of the GAME. And it is just a GAME.

The guy in WV reported what he heard about a SPORTS story. Just like all the reporters in this state report about what they hear about the same SPORTS story. The fact that their sources conflict is NOT a shocker. It's all gossip at this point, including this web site.

Sheesh!!!!

7:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Agreed we need to kept Sports on the sports level. You do have to llok hard to get the facts in any news now becouse of the bussiness end of it that requires coverage to target groups.

8:04 AM  
Anonymous Cynthia said...

What amazes me with Auburn fans is the fact that seems to escape them. Fact: The better Tubby does, the more attention he draws from other schools. Fact: He swore the only way he'd leave Ole Miss was in a pine box. He left and went to Auburn. Do these people not think he will leave them for more money and a better program too? Oh, and he'll look them in the eye and lie to them too just as he did to all those Rebel fans. He's their hot ticket now, but a better offer comes along, and poof he is out the door. Those are some things they might want to consider before coming in here and making sure everyone knows the level of intelligence there.

9:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stop posting and go watch Petrino coach right now. Louisville is playing UConn and Bob is who we need as our next coach. Watch that beautiful offense hum along. What we don't need is his defense. Petrino is the key.

9:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree that Petrino's offense would fit our talent RIGHT NOW. He would be the most seemless transition. But I don't think he's going to leave Louisville, and he needs defense.

9:36 AM  
Anonymous Bumpjon said...

"Blaming poor football reporting on the "liberal" media-Ha! Only in Alabama."

FSN wasn't blaming the "liberal" media. He was pointing out that the same things that cause the media to skew liberal is the same things that cause the reporting of this story to be so pathetic. They both are symptoms of the problem not the one causing the other.

Again, this is why, in my opinion, that respectable bloggers are a more reliable source. When FSN "names" a coach I'll believe it. Perhaps when ESPN "names" a coach I'll believe it. However, when any old rag, whether it is the BHAM News or the State Journal in WV, or any other weak newspaper, I just cannot believe anything. FSN does not have an agenda, other than that of getting Mike Shula fired and finding a new coach. He is not trying to scoop other newspapers. He is concerned with the truth. That is why his reporting is so much better than the “old media.”

9:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You say that you don't think he will leave Louisville, why? Coaches all lie and money means a lot but not everything I know. He likes the limelight and it shines no brighter than ND and Alabama, plain and simple. If Petrino will not leave, neither will Spurrier, Saban, Stoops, Rod, Mack Brown, or any other top name being mentioned which leaves Alabama looking back at Shula saying ooops. Petrino is the answer, if we ask he will listen and may jump ship.

10:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe there is something to this....with all of the coach searches going on the past few years, wonder why no one has mentioned tubberville?

cause he sucks!

10:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Miami has mentioned Tubs, but remember he has a 7 MILLION DOLLAR BUYOUT!!!!
Petrino's is only 1 million and Bama needs him immediately.

10:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"You say that you don't think he will leave Louisville, why?"

He has a pretty good team where he is, the future looks good, and he's in the big east. It's easier to win games in a league that doesn't believe in defense. He may come anyway, but I would be surprised.

"If Petrino will not leave, neither will Spurrier, Saban, Stoops, Rod, Mack Brown..."

For the same reasons I listed for Petrino, I would agree, but let's not generalize too much here. These guys share the distinction of being excellent coaches, but they are vastly different individuals. But on the surface, I would have to agree. That doesn't mean that we will not get a good coach.

If I had to rank the guys you listed in order of preference it would be:

1. Stoops
2. Saban
3. Spurrier
4. Brown
5. Rod
6. Petrino

Like I said before, I think Petrino is the best match for immediate offensive results, but I don't think he is a good fit in the long term. That and $5 will get you a cup of coffee!

11:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Barners, you guys are one massive inferiority complex. Why are you in here posting? Why do you care?

BTW, wasn't Tubberville part of that Wheeler State Park incident a few months back?

11:21 AM  
Blogger Anthony said...

What was the Wheeler state park incident?

11:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re: incident....40 grown men caught in the woods at night.

11:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tubby's pals...

http://www.al.com/crime/huntsvilletimes/index.ssf?/base/news/1154006124117660.xml&coll=1

11:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The problem with your blog is that it doesn't take into account the fact that most journalist today hide behind their new role as columnist (opinion teller) and not either a reporter or true journalist. I've had many frank discussions with columnist who all say that their column isn't meant to be read as fact but rather opinion.

There are VERY FEW journalist today and too many columnist and there seems to be a different set of rules for both and that seems to be the problem.

12:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is a media remark you can trust.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

(Columbia) - Coach Steve Spurrier has accepted an offer from the executive committee of the University of South Carolina.

In a press conference Saturday afternoon, the head coach announced he has accepted a one year extension to his contract. Spurrier said his salery has also been bumped up to 1.75 millino dollars a year.

All the university would say Friday when the meeting was announced was that the committee would discuss a contractual matter connected to the athletic department.

The meeting took place at 1 p.m. Saturday

http://www.wltx.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=44710

12:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

thank god now you idiots will finall forget spurrier like i told you all along. petrino 48-17 today and 18th consecutive home win, bama's talent will fit his system 40 wins 9 losses career. stop it with coach rod his wife cried because of the prospect of leaving wv to go to bama she hates the idea and coach rod is not going anywhere. petrino has been in bama before and will come back.

1:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is this a page for football or social commentary. So a reporter wanted to make a scoop. Bid deal! This kind of thing has been happening a long time. Also regarding objectivity - every story has an angle because every paper is a business. They must compete and to do so they must have scoops and opinions which equal appeal. Its not the best but beats the alternative. We could have all news be government run. That way we could eliminate all bias - right comrade!

1:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...petrino 48-17 today and 18th consecutive home win..."

IT WAS UCONN! Granted, CMS probably would have lost that game at home. But still, 48-17 over a now 4-8 big east team is no real accomplishment.


"We could have all news be government run."

The scariest thing I've heard in a long time! But let's not pretend that news organizations are working for a noble cause. It's for money, period. Facts are optional. Still better than state run news media though.

2:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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2:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Spurrier is just taking that SC offer so MM will pony up more money, trust me spurrier wants to be the UA coach and will be within the week.

2:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That sounds crazy but I am starting to agree. Until Spurrier says "No, I will not be the coach at Alabama," I believe he is still on the table.

2:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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PETRINOPETRINOPETRINOPETRINOPETRINO

CHRIS PETERSON BOISE STATE 12-0
45 PPG FOR LAST SIX SEASONS
CHRIS PETERSON CHRIS PETERSON
CHRIS PETERSON CHRIS PETERSON

PETRINO PETRINO PETRINO

3:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Spurrier is just taking that SC offer so MM will pony up more money, trust me spurrier wants to be the UA coach and will be within the week."


Nah, unfortunately not, Spurrier had an agreement, but his family 86'ed it.

The dolphins won 3 straight to give Saban hope, spurrier's family doesn't want to move, blah blah blah, tired of the while thing.

Breaking News: it's gonna be an embarrassment if we hire anyone on a lower plane than Rich Rod.

Johnson - embarrassment
Grobe - embarrassment

Not b/c they aren't good coaches, but b/c everyone will know they were plans C, D, etc.

3:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Smoke screen is apparently working.The NCAA is about to start investigating Oklahoma for the shit Bomar and some of the wrong doings of rouge boosters.Stoops wants to be known for being a winner and running a clean program and that will all be tainted once the investigation starts.It's been posted on here several times that Spurrier treats his assistants very good and cares about them deeply and who is a former assitant...that's right Stoops.Everybody wants a tough as nails coach that wears a visor and runs a clean program and is straight up well watch the Big 12 Championship game and there is your answer.Do we want a coach that hates Fran as much as we do well here's your answer...Stoops.Does anybody remember the year after Fran left OU beat A&M 77-0 that didnt happen by accident,that was retaliation for a shit coach that did something very shitty.And after that game does anyone remember what the OU band did?.......that's right played "Yea Alabama" after that nothing but respect for OU and Bob Stoops!!!!!ROLL TIDE!!!!!!!

3:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Flight from Tuscaloosa to Miami

http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KTCL

hmm??????

3:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this plane following is killing me you guys truely have not lives

4:05 PM  
Anonymous Bumpjon said...

USC 9 UCLA 13, Michigan gets its remach, SEC gets screwed again. Maybe this will finally lead to a playoff.

5:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just confirmed by finebaums website Spurrier just went on the radio in columbia and laughed at the interviewer and said roll tide, I'll see you in 6 years

5:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rodriquez sucks and is going down in flames big time again at home tonight. Two in a row. Petrino has won 18 consecutive home games. West Virginia needs to keep that fat loser up there.

5:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I got a text message from Bamaonline.com earlier tonight. Nothing is ever for sure but bamaonline is very reliable.

"Search is focused on Saban & Rodriquez. Could know by early next week. Nick Sabanhas a tight timeline. If he doesn't act soon, look for Rich Rodriquez to accept."

If this is correct, all the Stoops rumors are just that, rumors....

5:43 PM  
Anonymous bumpjon said...

Over on memphistider he has a lot on the Stoops rumor. It sounds like a good theory; there is not a lot of credible substance but some good grist from the rumor mill. Assuming that the rumors are true then we have a solid list of coaches.

Yesterday, I analyzed Shaun Alexander's comments and came up with a list of potential candidates. At that time, I did not know this much about Stoops. Of the current coaches or coaches likely to return to college football that have won a national championship since 1990 and are likely (or even plausibly) to leave for another school, I could only see Spurrier, Saban, Coker, and Erikson. That would be four. I did not consider Stoops because I thought he was happy at OU. Therefore, presumably he would replace Erikson or Coker. I would hope it would be Coker but more likely, it would be Erikson.

I also considered the possibility that Shaun Alexander may have considered 1AA national championships. If this were true, then Paul Johnson would be a candidate. That would leave Spurrier, Saban, Stoops, and Johnson, likely in that order. That is a respectable list. I would prefer if we looked at Petrino or Rodriguez before Johnson, but I would not argue with this list.

6:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you'll be lucky to ge johnson, Navy has a bettr program than what shula is leaving you with.

No smack just fact.

6:55 PM  
Anonymous bumpjon said...

Anonymous said...
"you'll be lucky to ge johnson, Navy has a bettr program than what shula is leaving you with.

No smack just fact."

Seriously, I don't know why I'm letting you suck me in but are you for real?

7:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I THINK PAUL JOHNSON'S FAMILY KEEPS POSTING FALSE ENCOURAGEMENT ON HIS BEHALF REGARDING HIM BEING A POSSIBLE CANDIDATE FOR THE ALABAMA JOB....IT COULD ONLY BE HIS FAMILY THAT THINKS HE SHOULD BE THE NEXT HEAD COACH OR MULTIPLE PATIENTS AT BRYCE MENTAL INSTITUTE IN TUSCALOOSA...

7:03 PM  
Anonymous bumpjon said...

So one guy says we'd be lucky to get PJ, and another says there's no way he would even be considered (except by his family and mental patients). Which is it?

7:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i'm going to go w/ the family and mental patients theory....he needs to stay at navy....mm, rw, and the entire bot would need to be forced to check into bryce if they brought pj down here....

7:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

we'd be lucky, facts are facts our job ain't what it used to be. We would be extrememly lucky to get johnson

7:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i am going to go w/ the family and mental patients theory....pj needs to keep his small college coaching at navy....in fact, mm, rw, and the entire bot should be forced to check themselves into bryce if they even considered for a second bring pj to alabama....

7:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

we'd be lucky me thinks, facts are facts our job ain't what it used to be. We would be extrememly lucky to get johnson

7:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sorry for the double posting....i guess i posted twice for emphasis w/o even realizing it....

7:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sorry for the double posting....i guess i posted twice for emphasis w/o even realizing it....

7:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

RR is terrible. PJ is ridden with a steroid scandal at Navy. Stoops aint comin, nor Spurrier, nor Schiano, nor Jims Grope, nor Chan Gailey, nor Parcells, nor Saban.

7:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If PJ is associated with the steroid scandal he should fit right in with bama and it's many indiscretions

7:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

many indiscretions? what are you talking about?

7:25 PM  
Anonymous bumpjon said...

For the guy who thinks only mental patients would like Johnson, let us look at his resume. He has won a national championship. He has won the coach of the year multiple times. He has won everywhere he has been. He knows how to beat his rivals.

Record with Navy: 29-21 (including 5 straight over Army)
Overall Record: 91-31
Awards: 2004 Bobby Dodd Coach of the Year
2000 AFCA NCAA I-AA Coach of the Year
1999 AFCA NCAA I-AA Coach of the Year
1998 Sports Network I-AA Coach of the Year
1998 Eddie Robinson Award
1997, 1998 Southern Conference Coach of the Year
Championships won: 1999 & 2000 IAA National Champion

Maybe, we can just assume that because he coaches at Navy he cannot be “big time”. Well, where did Meyer coach before Florida? That’s right Bowling Green and Utah. What about Spurrier? Oh that’s right, that powerhouse Duke. What about Jim Tressell? He coached at Youngstown. Maybe mental patients would have recommended those guys.

The fact is winners win. Losers loose, it does not matter where they coach it matters how they coach.

7:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

um you did just get off probabtion for recruiting violations.

7:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go look it up. Do a google search for Navy Steroids, you will find out about PJs team being tested positive then trying to delay new tests for 10 months...they are busted and will be made to pay eventually. Bama does not need any more of the scandals around them.

7:39 PM  
Anonymous bumpjon said...

First of all, there has been reports that PJ was involved in any way. That is like blaming Stallings because Langham signed with an agent. I know we all expect our coaches to be all-knowing but they cannot control everything their team does.

This steroids scandal is a non-story anyway check out:
http://ncaa-fb-recruiting.aolsportsblog.com/2006/11/21/footballscoop-com-warns-of-navy-steroid-scandel/

7:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not one coach who played today that has been mentioned has shown me jack!WE ARE SCREWED!!!!!!!Cue the PJ comments.

7:45 PM  
Anonymous bumpjon said...

Anonymous said...
"Go look it up. Do a google search for Navy Steroids, you will find out about PJs team being tested positive then trying to delay new tests for 10 months...they are busted and will be made to pay eventually. Bama does not need any more of the scandals around them."

It was a two month delay. And nobody tested positive, some players said they took steroids in the past.

Maybe we should start reading the stories instead of just looking ant the google results and assuming the rest of the story.

7:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bobby ross is available after today maybe he would take the bama job

7:47 PM  
Anonymous bumpjon said...

Now, even if he was involved the NCAA would not punish us for what our new coach did in the past at another school. At worst they would scrutinize our every move. Wait, aren't they doing that already?

7:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For the love of all that is good please don't let it be RR he frickin' SUX!!!

7:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Stoops is'nt happy what makes everybody think he will not leave?

7:52 PM  
Anonymous bumpjon said...

Now for all of the haters.

True, we haven't done much lately. But we still have the tradition. But you say, stop holding on to the Bear's legacy. The simple fact is, we pull a decent recruiting class just from all of the guys who have heard that they are going to BAMA since birth. We got a ton of dough to spread around. We got some good players that can compete right now. We will always go to a bowl game as long as we stay eligible.

Who wouldn't want to double his salary, win a lot of games, make himself a legacy? Paul Johnson would take the first plane to Tuscaloosa if he had the chance.

I don't know why I'm even arguing with you guys anyways. They say never argue with a fool. Others may not be able to tell the difference. Perhaps, it should be never argue with a barner.

7:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your the fool buddy,w/all the possibilities why in the fuck would we go after Johnson.This is the LAST time I say this, the next person that mentions Paul Johnson sucks Big Johnsons

8:04 PM  
Anonymous bumpjon said...

Oh I'm sorry, I guess I suck big johnsons. Did you think that up youself? That's so origional.

Now can we stop with the name calling? I'm trying to have an intelligent conversation. I have already said why we might want to consider Johnson, now instead of telling me I suck big johnsons, please tell me why we would not want him.

8:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sorry I didnt mean to say you sucked that's just what your boyfriend Paul Johnson told me.HE'S AT NAVY!!!! THIS IS ALABAMA I THINK OUR STANDARDS NEED TO BE A LITTLE HIGHER!!!When the new hire is announced and it's not your boy,I'm coming at you bumpjon with all I got!!!Then you can change your name to bumppaul!!

8:17 PM  
Anonymous bumpjon said...

sticks and stones....

Come on I know you got a better arguement than Navy!

8:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You should have a better one than PJ

8:21 PM  
Anonymous bumpjon said...

You're right. What was I thinking. O.K. my new list is:
1) Bear Bryant
2) Don Shula
3) Bill Parcells
4) Tom Landry

Come on! Let's try a little harder.

8:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

None of those on your list have ever came out of my mouth.This coaching search is the first time I have ever been on any "blog" and all I wanted was some info and it's people like yourself that have done nothing but add to the confusion.You must be new on here because you and maybe PJ's family are the only ones on here making an argument for him.

8:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They will NOT hire PJ. Just stop with this silliness, stoops aint leavin, spurrier reupped big time, saban aint leavin, we have nothing but kines now.

8:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only motherfuckers that mention "Bear" are barners so you just revealed yourself bumpjon.That guy you are arguing w/is right about the people talking about Johnson

8:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank You!!!!!

8:32 PM  
Anonymous bumpjon said...

Anonymous said...
The only motherfuckers that mention "Bear" are barners so you just revealed yourself bumpjon.That guy you are arguing w/is right about the people talking about Johnson

No, I bleed CRIMSON through and through. I brought up Bear because someone was trying that we should get the best coach out there regardless of whether he was interested or not, or if it is even possible or not. I was trying to be sarcastic. Perhaps I failed at that. But please do not eve began to start that barner crap. I've tried to be civil. But that is the one way to make my Crimson blod boil.

8:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You've made my Crimson blood boil and my WHITE bones ache with your second rate coaching bullshit.BAMA needs to get a top notch coach not some dude from a lower tier school.And if your gonna be sarcastic leave "Bears" name out of it!!

8:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Petrino is the answer. I never said he would come to Alabama, but I do believe he would listen if a serious 3 Million dollar offer is made. The other guys just are not feasible players--Saban makes 4 mill already, Spurrier is not coming plain and simple, Stoops is the highest paid according to the USA Today database, and PJ is unheard of to most Bama fans and can not ignite the fan base. Moore is not even considering him according to numerous sources in the Athletics Department.

8:41 PM  
Anonymous bumpjon said...

Anonymous said...
None of those on your list have ever came out of my mouth.This coaching search is the first time I have ever been on any "blog" and all I wanted was some info and it's people like yourself that have done nothing but add to the confusion.You must be new on here because you and maybe PJ's family are the only ones on here making an argument for him.

Now, I was trying to be sarcastic. I'm sorry I failed at that.

I have been trying all along to have an intelligent conversation. Go back and read. If I ever added to the conversation, or I was rude in anyway I am sorry.

What I thought I said was that after reading Shaun Alexander's comments I thought I norrowed down a list of potential coaches to Spurrier, Saban, Stoops, and PJ. I also thought that I said I hope that this is not true. I thought that RR nad BP should be considered.

That being said, if this is an accurate list and PJ is our fallback candidate then it isn't all bad. I wanted to discuss his record and the pros and cons. I listed some pros and wanted some intelligent conversation on his cons.

Now, please without resorting to ad hominem (that's personal attacks) on either me, anyone who thinks PJ might possibly be a decent coach, PJ himself,or the United States Naval Academy, tell me why PJ is a bad choice.

8:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your as thick headed as it gets!! Sorry if that is a personal attack.I can't get through to this guy will somebody please help!! And we don't need your two cents Mrs.Johnson.If it helps matters any I don't think that UA is even considering him anymore.

8:53 PM  
Anonymous bumpjon said...

Well, if Shaun Alexander is right then its Spurrier, Saban, and two others who's won a national championship. The only guys I thought would fit that description are Stoops, Erikson, and Coker.

Then I thought by "national championship" SA included IAA. Since I've heard PJ's name mentioned several different places, I thought I would add him to my list of potentials.

Now we know it Spurrier, Saban, and two from the following list:
Stoops, Erikson, Coker, Johnson. With those names in mind I thought which of theese names are our best bets. I thought that Stoops is obviously the best name on the list. Next I thought that PJ might be a better choice than Erikson or Coker.

Forgive me if that's to extreme of a leap. Remember, we are not makeing the choice. MM, BOT, and the headhunters are doing it. What we are doing is just speculation. I started with an interview, and some rumors. I then considered what might be the result if they were true. I never said this is how it is. I wouldn't know. I have no sources, I've never met anyone on the BOT, I do not know where MM lives. I don't make up souces for mu=y own aggrandizement. I was just attempting to have a conversation concering a set of rumors I heard.

9:05 PM  
Anonymous bumpjon said...

Let's try this again.

Who should we consider? Why?

9:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, just rumors. But really if you are capable of reasoned thought, you know Stoops is not a viable candidate, Spurrier is already out, Saban is a snake in the grass and will not leave the NFL this year, PJ cannot adapt his system to work with John Parker Wilson (when he was at Hawaii they were a defensive based team that had a bad offense), Erickson is not possible because he had NCAA violations like mad at Miami and jumped to the NFL and left Butch Davis to clean up the mess remember, Coker is an old joke and no Bama is not considering him. How many more do you need me to shoot down? Sure, Petrino has said no too but then where does that leave us? Leavitt said no, Jim Grope (that is a joke) said no, Jack del Rio said no, and Mike Sherman has retracted his interest and said no to Bama also.

9:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NEWS REPORT FLASH: Scott Hunter - News channel 5 in Mobile - just reported, with VERY credible sources that Alabama has a legally enforceable verbal contract with Nick Saban and the announcement will not be announced until the NFL regular season is over with. Remember, verbal contracts are enforceable for a year and a year only. Employment contracts for over a year must be in writing - that's in the Alabama statutes. The University is prepared to enforce this verbal agreement for one year b/c they know it will throw Saban off if he backs off b/c the Dolphins are actually winning. Rodriguez has been contacted about the opportunity, but that is only a "smokescreen" for what really is happening. Do not expect any announcement in the next few days. The University will allow the internet chatter and news rumors to continue to protect Saban, who will continue to deny interest in the story. Remember - Alexander - the next coach hired will have a NC under his belt. Trust me and the local media source - It's Saban.

9:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's all these blogs are...rumors we will not know who the coach is til he standing behind the podium being announced as the new head coach @ Alabama.PERIOD.I really do not think they are gonna screw this up,I also think that Mr.Newsome has his hand in this more than we think,and if you think the Oz is gonna screw it up you got another thing coming.Stoops is a better possibility than we think he is.

9:15 PM  
Anonymous bumpjon said...

I hope Ozzie is more involved than we think!

9:36 PM  

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